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Bruce Wedderburn: Sales Training and the Sales Conversation

Sales conversations are a vital part of being a salesperson. It’s quite difficult to sell anything if you don’t know how to have a proper conversation. However, there are very important conversations that are often overlooked when training salespeople. Bruce Wedderburn has some ideas on how to improve sales training using key sales conversations and shares them in this interview with John Golden.

This expert sales interview explores:

  • The three key conversations you need to know
  • Achievement drive, its purpose, and how to get it
  • What salespeople can do for themselves to improve

These three factors need to work together. When they do, we begin to see truly elevated sales results and longevity in a performance that translates into very tangible metrics in organizations.

Three Conversations:

The vast majority of training that’s out there is on is focused on the conversation between the salesperson and the customer. This is essential, and it’s vital that salespeople continue to learn and improve their discussions with potential buyers. However, there are two other important conversations that often get overlooked. In addition to conversations with customers, the second question that training should focus on is a salesperson’s conversation with themselves. Research has suggested that this conversation is even more critical than their discussions with customers, and yet it is so often not held in high regard. The third question is the conversation with coaches. These three conversations need to work together for salespeople. When they do, you will start to see high sales results and longevity, and it will translate into tangible metrics for your organization.

Achievement Drive:

One of the critical solutions to improve salespeople is achievement drive. This is an energy that gets released when a person has clarity on their goals, has a sense of purpose towards achieving something, and feels as if they have goals that they can realistically achieve. 200 companies were asked what makes their consistently good performers successful: their product knowledge and selling skills, or their self-belief, attitude, confidence, and drive to achieve? The results were that 84% of organizations said that this achievement drive was more important than product knowledge and selling skills. And yet, only 26% of organizations are doing a good job promoting this achievement drive. But there’s more than enough evidence to suggest that it works – those salespeople who were trained on manifesting achievement drive outperform those who weren’t taught by 20%.

What do salespeople need to do for themselves?

While sales managers and organizations as a whole have work to do to improve sales training, the salespeople should not sit idly by and wait for their company to provide for them. The critical question is: what are you doing for yourself? Wedderburn has recommendations to self-improve sales skills. First, take responsibility for your success and your performance, and your happiness at work. This is versus waiting for your manager or CEO or business environment to give you those things. Second, recognize that you are responsible for your happiness. Third, set some goals for yourself, in addition to what your manager setting for you. Fourth, look at your manager as a collaborator. And fifth, invest in your skills and get better at doing what you do so that you will get better results.

About Our Host

John is the Amazon bestselling author of Winning the Battle for Sales: Lessons on Closing Every Deal from the World’s Greatest Military Victories and Social Upheaval: How to Win at Social Selling. A globally acknowledged Sales & Marketing thought leader, speaker, and strategist. He is CSMO at Pipeliner CRM. In his spare time, John is an avid Martial Artist.

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Inside Sales Management Training you Need

Factor 8 President Lauren Bailey recommends that we train our Managers before we train our reps. Why? Too often the training investment we make for our front-line sellers doesn’t stick if the Managers aren’t bought in. When Managers are trained first, they see the value in development and are taught to develop their Reps. One of the most critical skills we can teach managers is call coaching, and Reps need this to keep new skills alive. What are the other seven critical skills for Inside Sales Managers? Check out the video.

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Matt McDarby Talks Sales Coaching

We all know what salespeople should do. There are methodologies out there that can help salespeople learn and grow. But, the problem isn’t that salespeople are unsure of what to do, but rather that they don’t apply them over an extended period, or incorporate these methodologies into their everyday work life. Matt McDarby, interviewed by John Golden, discusses these ideas and more in this expert sales interview.

This expert sales interview on sales coaching explores:

  • Sales coaching challenges
  • Developing a sales team
  • Defending the sales team

Sales Coaching Challenges:

In the last decade, many things have changed about sales coaching and how to apply it correctly to get useful results. One thing that has mostly stayed the same is that there are lots of methodologies out there. What’s different, however, is the degree of integration of these methodologies. Salespeople and reps learn the methods, but then they quickly go by the wayside without reinforcement and encouragement from the sales managers.

Developing a Team:

Developing a sales management team that’s equipped to manage the sales team is crucial, and yet it’s rarely done successfully. Sales management is the falling down point for a lot of organizations. They have sales managers that aren’t fully equipped, and don’t have enough experience with driving change and creating change in a business. Despite the variety of methodologies out there, regardless of what method you choose, if you want to change the performance of a sales organization, you have to focus on the sales management layer. If your sales managers aren’t ready to train, or coach, it doesn’t matter what method you select, the result will be weak.

Defending the Team:

Sales managers know the importance of coaching, but upper management does not always support it. It’s up to frontline management to be upfront and diligent about the companies processes and methods and push back against upper-level executives that don’t want to support appropriate training. “It’s up to them to control distractions from the outside, including the pressures from the chain of command,” said McDarby. “Be able to say, ‘I’ve got it. We’re managing it, here’s your information CEO, now let me get back to my team so that we can continue doing what we need to do to be excellent.’”

For other information on sales coaching, watch the full expert sales interview!

About Our Host

John is the Amazon bestselling author of Winning the Battle for Sales: Lessons on Closing Every Deal from the World’s Greatest Military Victories and Social Upheaval: How to Win at Social Selling. A globally acknowledged Sales & Marketing thought leader, speaker, and strategist. He is CSMO at Pipeliner CRM. In his spare time, John is an avid Martial Artist.

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Panel Discussion: How to Coach Salespeople

Sales Experts Advice and Tips

There are numerous ways to improve sales performance, some more cost-effective than others. For example, you can simply hire more salespeople–an expensive way to go. The most cost-effective route to improving performance is coaching. Host John Golden and our panel of experts, Peri Shawn, Richard Ruff & Matt McDarby explore this vital topic.

Richard RuffRichard Ruff has spent the last thirty years designing and managing large-scale sales training and coaching projects for Fortune 1000 companies.Dick started his sales training career with Neil Rackham during the start-up years for Huthwaite, Inc.  In 2000, Dick and Dr. Janet Spirer founded Sales Momentum.  Sales Momentum specialized in designing customized sales simulations programs that focused on achieving high-impact business results. Most recently Dick partnered with John Hoskins to form Level Five Selling to create a state-of-the-art training and coaching offering using avatar-based training courses integrated with an online coaching platform that enables training and coaching anytime-anyplace. During his career Dick has authored numerous articles and co-authored Managing Major Sales and Getting Partnering Right. Dr. Ruff received his Ph.D. in Organizational Psychology from the University of Tennessee and a B.S. from Rennsselaer Polytechnic Institute.

Peri ShawnPeri Shawn is the award-winning author of the book Sell More with Sales Coaching (Wiley, October 2013).  It was named one of the top 12 business books of that year.  She teaches and coaches VPs and their teams how to coach, increase sales and improve the client experience.  You may have read some of her articles in Pipelinersales.comSellingPowerSales GravySalesforce.comEntrepreneurSales and Marketing Management Magazine and Forbes. You can discover more about her on LinkedIn.

Mathew McDarbyMatthew McDarby – Matt is the President at United Sales Resources, a sales management coaching and advisory firm. He is the author of “The Cadence of Excellence: Key Habits of Effective Sales Managers” and also the co-author of the “Managing A Social Sales Team” ebook (along with Pipeliner CRM’s Chief Strategy Officer, John Golden). He has also written dozens of white papers and research advisory briefs on professional sales. Over his twenty-year sales career, Matt has personally won and coached others to win hundreds of millions of dollars in new business.

What IS good sales training?

Aberdeen tells us that 85% of the “Best in Class” companies use a professional sales trainer or curriculum. Ready to shop (or make an internal request)? Lauren Bailey gives you five tips of what to look for to make sure you get the best. Lauren has spent her career leading both sales teams and training teams, and today is President of award-winning inside sales training company Factor 8.

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#SalesChats: Engagement Breakdowns with Mari Anne Vanella

Engagement Breakdowns
#SalesChats: Episode 34

Engagement breakdown is the point when a relationship falls apart with a prospect. Companies go through a lot of work to identify prospects, a lot of which is structured. There’s a systemized way of identifying prospects, and there’s a lot of visibility throughout this process. But, when the leads go out to the sales organizations, there is no consistency in how the leads are handled. This leads to a black hole of salespeople making independent decisions on how to proceed and can result in the lead relationship falling apart or not proceeding as planned. Mari Anne Vanella discusses engagement breakdowns in this #SalesChat, hosted by John Golden and Martha Neumeister.

Vanella explains:
• The common reasons why engagement breakdowns happen, including the effort needed to contact and engage with prospects, and the tendency of salespeople to give up too easily
• The first things that a salesperson should do in order to keep the prospect engaged, like keeping the lead talking. Show your expertise through the questions that you ask, not what you say
• Keeping leads engaged with things that resonate with them in order to combat the ever-shortening average attention span
• Ensure that your workspace is organized in order to keep the conversation moving, and document the things that you talk about in your CRM to keep a record
• Understanding verbal cues while on the phone to evaluate the prospect’s attention level
• Advance call planning, and why salespeople don’t consistently utilize this important step
• The problems that come with too much automation
• The best tools for salespeople and sales managers to use
• Common traps that precede engagement breakdown
• Creating a proactive approach to building bridges and relationships with prospects using genuine interaction in order to keep the conversation fresh and memorable
• Ways to assess if you are experiencing engagement breakdown

Our Guest

Mari Anne Vanella

is CEO of The Vanella Group, Inc. She is a sought after consultant, speaker, and sales development expert for B2B enterprise tech companies. Mari Anne is listed in the “40 Most Inspirational C-Level Leaders in Sales Lead Management” in 2016. She is also listed in the “20 Women to Watch in Sales Lead Management” in 2017, 2016, 2015. She has been invited to speak at Dreamforce 3x in featured sessions on sales engagement. She also represented the SMB CEO role at “LinkedIn Live” event where she discussed how SMB’s can successfully leverage LinkedIn as The Vanella Group, Inc. has. Recently she has authored the best-selling and award-winning book “42 Rules of Cold Calling Executives” which is available on Amazon.com and other retail channels.

Links › vanellagroup.com | twitter.com | linkedin.com

Our Hosts

John Golden

John is the Amazon bestselling author of Winning the Battle for Sales: Lessons on Closing Every Deal from the World’s Greatest Military Victories and Social Upheaval: How to Win at Social Selling. A globally acknowledged Sales & Marketing thought leader, speaker, and strategist. He is CSMO at Pipeliner CRM. In his spare time, John is an avid Martial Artist.

Martha Neumeister

Martha is social media strategist, responsible for all social media platforms of Pipeliner CRM. She is a communication expert with social media affinity, which she has been focusing on throughout her professional career. She has a bachelor´s degree in Entrepreneurship & Management and a master´s degree in Online Marketing which supports her in her career as Social Media Strategist.

About SalesChats

SalesChats is a fast-paced (no more than 30 minutes) multi-media series that provides leading strategies, tactics and thinking for sales professionals worldwide. It can be found on Twitter (#SalesChats), as a live Google+ Hangout, and as a podcast available on iTunes, SoundCloud and right here on SalesPOP! If you think you would make a great guest for #SalesChats, please contact co-host Martha Neumeister.

SalesChats is co-hosted by John Golden, CSO Pipeliner CRM, and Martha Neumeister, Social Media Strategist Pipeliner CRM.

How to Become a Great Sales Coach

What is the difference between a sales manager that does poorly, one that does just okay, and one that really excels? Join sales expert and author Kevin F. Davis as he walks us through one major factor: a sales manager’s ability as a sales coach. What makes for a great coach? Kevin has researched this subject in detail, and shares the most important details in this video.

Sales Training…or Sales Development?

Sales development is a crucial part of company success, and yet it’s something that is rarely done proficiently. Sales training is done regularly, but it falls short of breeding successful salespeople. To truly improve, Jane Gentry, interviewed by John Golden, argues that sales development, rather than just training, is vital.

This sales interview explores sales development and other topics such as:

  • The traditional thinking on sales training
  • Sales development, and why it’s important
  • The importance of the sales manager
  • How to drive change to develop your sales team

Traditional Sales Training:

Sales training is typically event based. People come in, and do training sessions and workshops as a group or as individuals. Sometimes training is hosted through an online training source, or occasionally a trainer will come into large organizations. There are multiple different ways to conduct and train your sales staff. But, training seminars at their most basic are merely content delivery. What often gets overlooked is what happens after the training. “It’s not training that is going to change their behavior,” said Gentry.

Sales Development:

To foster the creation of well-rounded salespeople, it’s crucial to train and develop salespeople. “The knee-jerk reaction of most organizations is to put their seller through training and assume that it’s going to create behavior change. And yet, it doesn’t,” said Gentry. In fact, 50% of sales managers think that if you got rid of training altogether, it wouldn’t impact the quality or skills of their sellers. “It’s development that changes behavior. It’s not learning. It’s not content delivery. It’s development.” said Gentry.

The Sales Manager’s Role:

Examples of companies that have utilized excellent training and development are few and far between, unfortunately. Most organizations invest in training, and providing content, but do not develop their sales staff or encourage the sales managers to foster the development of the sales staff. “If you are investing in training your sales team, but haven’t first prepared your sales manager to develop the sales team, you’re wasting your time, effort, and money,” said Gentry.

Driving Change:

If you’re going to make a change, it has to be reinforced, adopted, and coached by the sales manager, even after the training is over. Sales managers have to take ownership of the material. They have to know the content and understand the sales process well enough to teach it. They need a strategy or coaching plan, and actively work on developing themselves as a manager, while also improving the sales team. The sales manager has to provide the development piece; there is just no way around that. It is a sales manager’s first responsibility to be a developer of salespeople. Not a manager of numbers. “The numbers will come from the right behavior,” said Gentry. “If we’re reinforcing the right behavior, the numbers will come.”

About Our Host

John is the Amazon bestselling author of Winning the Battle for Sales: Lessons on Closing Every Deal from the World’s Greatest Military Victories and Social Upheaval: How to Win at Social Selling. A globally acknowledged Sales & Marketing thought leader, speaker, and strategist. He is CSMO at Pipeliner CRM. In his spare time, John is an avid Martial Artist.

Pipeliner CRM truly empowers real sales training for companies. Get your free trial of Pipeliner CRM now.

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